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Phoenotopia FAQ

Posted by Quells - August 21st, 2014


I've been getting a lot of questions on how to progress on the tricky parts of Phoenotopia, so to alleviate my inbox, I'll start listing them here. Refer to this if you're really stuck! (If you have a guide you'd like me to link here, PM me)

============ Other Awesome Guides ============

A more comprehensive guide by nggroundsplayer347

http://www.scribd.com/doc/237933823/Phoenotopia-Guide

============ CHAPTER 0 : Miscellaneous ============

Q: Are there missables in this game?
In Zelda fashion, no. If you think you've found a missable item, PM me.

Q: My green bracelet is gone!?
The green bracelet disappears because I didn't have a slot for some key quest items. So the green bracelet will temporarily leave your inventory when you're carrying the bandit or the golem head. But don't worry! Just by continuing your journey, the green bracelet will return! As for why I chose to the slot of the green bracelet, it's because the gift that Aella gives you can't be taken advantage of until later (by which point you should have the green bracelet back).

Q: I'm using a 360 controller and the up/down is inverted?
I am aware of such an issue, and Tom Fulp was actually the first to tell me about it. The conclusion we reached is that the error lies in the flash version of your browser. In Tom's case, the up and down were inverted on Chrome but worked fine in IE. The up and down works correctly for me.

So this one is a hard one to tackle - there hasn't been too much noise about this issue, so I'm inclined to think the current Up/Down on the analog is the correct configuration for most people. I recommend trying it with a different browser to see if you have different results. If there is enough noise about this, I will put this higher on my priority queue, but for now saving problems are.
 

============ CHAPTER 1 : Panselo & Duri Forest ============

Q: Why is the slingshot so weak?
It's more of a stunning tool. That bat should be your bread and butter.

Q: How do I defeat frogs?
Frogs hop at the same rate, height, and distance every time, so it's possible to know where they'll land. Stand at a spot you know they'll appear before and charge up your weapon to defeat them in one hit! Later when you get the slingshot you can also stun them.

Q: How do I cross the gap in the temple ruins?
First shoot the switch to extend the bridge to your side. Once you cross the bridge, hit the switch again to extend the bridge to the other side. Then stand on the edge of that newly moved bridge, and shoot the switch on the next platform to bring it over to you. Basically hit the switches twice!

Q: How do I defeat the Armored Toad Boss?
Shoot the Duri Fruit patch above him or bouce a sling rock off the wall behind him to hit his back. Doing so will get him to turn around revealing his weak back side.

Q: How do I cross Atai Bridge or crawl through small spaces?
You need to buy a "Scroll of Rolling" back at the Panselo Dojo. This will allow you to roll through the small spaces.

============ CHAPTER 2 : Atai and the Bandits Lair ============

Q: How do I get the bandit in Atai's jail to reveal the Bandits' Lair?
Buy a Talkinator potion from the potions witch and give it to him.

Q: How do I get bombs?
Talk to Lisa and ask her about "interesting places to visit?". She'll reveal to you Adar's house where you can then find bombs.

Q: How can I make some money?
A woman in Atai's market place will buy Duri fruit from you. Also the man at Honey Bee Labs will buy Honey Combs from you.

Q: How can I get more health items?
If you're strapped for cash, there's a spot in Duri forest that has 3 healing fruits you can collect. The fruits will respawn if you leave the area to the world map, so it's possible to get a lot.

Q: How do I defeat the Sand Dragon?
Youtube Video

To dodge him effectively you can clear out his lava pools with bombs. You can also whack his spitfire in the air to cancel it out (but that's a risky maneuver). To dodge his roll attack, try to roll under it as it's coming. Also helps if you have the hammer, since you'll do a lot more damage. Feed him a bomb when he's burrowing underground and snapping at you to stun him and make him vulnerable to your attacks.

============ CHAPTER 3 : Thomas's Lab, Daea, Dungeons, and the Prince Tower ============

Q: How do I enter Thomas's Lab?
The first room of his house has a switch hidden beneath a box on the left wall. Shoot the box to reveal the switch. Then shoot the switch. Click here for a picture.

Q: How do I defeat the robot in Thomas's Lab?
Video Here
He has only a few different patterns of laser attacks. Once you learn to dodge them, it's simply a matter of pushing him over the chasm and flipping the switch.

Q: How do I access the sewers?
After Thomas has been kidnapped, to access the sewers, you need to talk to a sequence of NPCs in this order:
1. First is the maid in the upper right most room of the inn. She says she saw Thomas get dragged away.
2. Then the guard in jail (lower left most area in Daea). He tells you to talk to the king.
3. Then the orange haired little girl outside the castle gates. She says that a person named "Ruby" could get you into the sewers. Her apartment is the middle residential area.
4. At Ruby's apartment, is a man who tells you Ruby went to buy lunch.
5. The store keeper at the food shop tells you Ruby just left for the sewer.
The sewers will now be opened.

Q: How do I access blocks A, B, and E of the dungeons?
There's a prisoner you can rescue in Block D. He tells you of a weak floor in Block C. Use a bomb where he tells you and you can get into Block E, which contains keys to reach the other blocks.

Q: How do I navigate the ladder obstacle course in the tower?
Watch this video 

Q: How do I defeat the Kobold boss?
Youtube Video
Generally stay on the opposite corner of where he is so that you can respond quickly to his change of direction. Place a spear on the wall ahead of time so that you can quickly move up or down. When he charges his blue ball of death attack throw a spear into the opening of his shield. If he's hanging upside while charging, you need to hop to throw the spear in. Finally, make use of charge attacks - they do double damage and can hit up to 3 times in a row if you're spamming the attack button hard enough.

============ CHAPTER 4 : Beyond the Wall ============

Q: How do I defeat the Big Eyed Boss?
Link to video
Big Eye follows a set pattern of 5 phases. Learning how to handle and dodge the attacks of each phase and you will survive.

To do damage effectively however, you want to wait until the right phase. When you close the 4 smaller eyes he'll open his big eye but only for a set amount time. So if you open his big eye at a bad time and there are a lot of distractions on the field, you will have squandered your chance to damage him.

The best phase to do damage is the 5th phase when he's shooting 2 giant laser beams since there are no distractions on the field if you're standing in front of him. So it's best to close 3 of his smaller eyes, and then wait for his 5th phase, before you close his 4th small eye.

Q: How do I outrun 66?
As you are running away from him there are switches you can hit to close the doors. Every door you close on 66 delays him and buys you more time. If you hit a switch to open a door, there is usually a switch to close that same door. If you open it, don't leave it open!

Finally hit the switches using your jump attack, since that is a lot faster than your sling shot. You should only use the slingshot to activate a switch once during this whole chase sequence.

Here's a video

============ For Completionists ============

Q: How do I access Forgotten Forest?
Collect 30 moon stones and the teleporter in Fran's lab will be activated.

Q: What is the scope of the Heart Ruby and Moon Stone tracker in the world map selection screen?
It extends to all obtainable collectables if you were to enter from that map location. There are two problematic areas where the scope is really broad because they have secret paths connecting many areas. The first big area is Atai and the Bandits' lair which are connected by the well passage. The second is Daea and the Prince Tower connected by the Dungeons.

Q: What are the non-quests (ie the dead ends)?
- There is no quest behind feeding the Perro bird in Daea
- No quest behind the fake love letters in Daea
- There's no quest to get a Sand Dragon egg (there were plans, but they did not pan out)
- There's no quest behind the abducted Harpy. That's for the sequel.
- The door you see when running from 66 can not be accessed.
(Will add more non-quests as they come to my attention)

Q: How often does Chocolate Protein Shake work? How many Heart Rubies are there?
Five times. To get 99 HP you need to find all 23 heart rubies. That gets you to 89 HP. From there five protein shakes will get you the rest of the way to 99 HP.

Q: Tips for getting the speed run medal?
- The only heart rubies you should get are the ones that bosses drop. Any other one is too big a detour.
- Plan a smart route for which money chests to grab. You only want to get just enough for the key quest items (lamp, float donut, & roll scroll). For example, in Duri forest it's better to grab the money chest going back from the first boss when there are no enemies, then before.
- The only non-key item I bought was the hammer. 
- Sweet stamina boosting items like honey make a big difference in areas like Misty Gorge, where fast recharging stamina allows you nearly limitless jumps in water.
- If you die, refresh the browser to prevent the game from overwriting your save time or number of deaths.
- Expect it to be hard.

Speed Run Ch 1

Speed Run Ch 2

Speed Run Ch 3

Speed Run Ch 4

(I will update this news post as I get more questions.)


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Comments

Where do you get the asteroid rocks? Also, it might be cool to have a section in the FAQ for all the collectibles/sidequests

Contains spoilers.
Where do I find the second meteorite? I've found the first one in Misty Gorge, but everywhere I search I've found nothing. I can access Forgotten Forest W, which leads to a cliff which I can't get past, and I haven't heard of any other paths to the forgotten forest.
I know you get the Lucky Belt from The Wall, but the guy having trouble with the postal service isn't really hinting good enough for me to figure out.
What do Is the use of the Gold Bar and the Small Baton?

The most difficult thing in this game, aside from frogs, is the collectibles. Going to the Dread Lands to look for a Moonstone isn't so motivating when you risk not finding anything, and having to travel such an unforgiving landscape. I would suggest a x/x in the map, displaying how many of Ruby Hearts or Moonstones you've got in the area you're hovering over. Especially with how well you are at hiding secrets, which is a good thing.
The only part of this game that was too hard for me was the robot eye before the end. It looked possible with an inventory of sushi and lots of patience, but after two attempts, I shamelessly used Cheat Engine to give me infinite health. I didn't have a problem with 0066, it was difficult, but it was a fun kind of difficult.
I also see you added a delay after speaking with NPC's, which only adds to the perfection that this game is. It is one of the best games I have ever played, currently sitting on 8th on my list of all time, and I look forward to the sequel.

Get one asteroid rock from a cave in Misty Gorge (need rocket boots to reach area, and the cave is under a stone that you need to destroy with a bomb), another from Fran for having 25 moonstones.

Questions:
What new ingredient does the chef want?
What do you do for the guy at the wall that complains about the post office taking too long?
How do you get flying cave jelly? I must have killed about 100 of them and other people have asked about drop rate too, so I'm guessing it's not from killing them.

I'm stuck in the Nebula Armlet dungeon. I killed my way through the SkeleDroids, and got the armlet, but when I got back to the room with the first, solitary red SkeleDroid, it had respawned, thereby causing the gate to close. With no way to open the gate from the inside, I'm stuck. Is there another way out, or something?

hey there, so i think i know where the last meteor rock is but i have NO idea how anyone could make it... at the bottom of well in atai there's a tunnel and it takes you to what looks like a space ship but it has those damn red robots which are impossible. actually, whats the best way to kill those things? and, yeah, a hint as to the second meteorite would be awesome, thanks.

p.s. thanks quells for the game and assistance, i've made my way to the crater now and continuing forward

Well i struggled enough with that eyed boss. You are inadequate. FK U . DIE

anybody know the location of all moonstones? I am stuck at 35 and completed everything (besides the moonstones of course)

I'm almost to the end boss of the game, but I realized I still don't have the best weapon. Am I missing something, like a special metal for the blacksmith? It would be easier to rely on the final weapon to beat the game.

I'm pretty sure you get the best weapon from giving the blacksmith asteroid shards

Finally beat the game! Awesome job! I actually outrun 66 on my 2nd try. LOL Helps I ate something to boost my Stamina, and closed the doors etc.

Remaining Questions:
Is there anything to do in Forgotten Forest W.?
What do you feed the Chicken?
Does anyone get the Appreciation Flower?
How do you get the Moon Stone in Atai City that's in the pot way up on the tower?
Is there an item for the 2nd Misc slot in the end game? I got Green Bracelet, Blank, Nebula Armlet.
Probably others, but that's all the comes to mind.

How can I get Scroll of Force, Jet Boots, the final weapon, and the last tool (grey circle with red triangles)?

thanks for the youtube video, I'll try it out.

I saved my game at the area where I entered the ancient place after getting the the rocket boots, but the game didn't keep the save state. Now I have to fight the Thomas robot again. Please fix that.

I think I found an exploit.

At Thomas's Lab, the boss robot can be easily defeated if you just stand ON the trap door and use the sling shot to hit the switch to open it. You will fall and lose some health but be spawned all the way to the top of the map (The best way to do it is to drop Gale WITH the robot after it crashes itself the first time).

At this point you can actually just leave the boss battle by walking out the door. Or...

You can walk back down to the ledge (Gale will go off-screen but it's still easy to find the way). The robot will keep driving/shooting at the wall unable to reach you. Since the boss keeps driving on the trap door you can safely keep aiming for the switch from up on the ledge to keep dropping the robot over and over until it dies.

another bug: once you reach the south entrace of mul cavern, you can select the north exit right away and skip the whole section. select north and exit north to unlock forest and crater.

This is a known bug for people who started playing with v1.05 or earlier. I'll make a full comment on this later. It is not recommended to skip since you need to at least trigger cutscenes in Mul Caves and get the rocket boots. Enter Mul Caves from the south and make sure you get the rocket boots. If you have rocket boots, then it's fine to skip.

I can't figge rout how to get past the ladders with the bellson them. Can someone help?

Here's a video. Hope it helps!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFMoNyDHmpY

I got the Nebula Armlet, what does it do?

Do some of you solved the girl that lost her memory at Cross Roads?

SamohtGnir asked all my other questions :)

Past 35 moonstones, I'm not sure what to do...

The slimes don't seem to drop any goo, no idea what the chicken eats...

I'm at a loss. Am I missing a location somewhere or just failing at quests?

And, well, the secret badges...who knows.

"This is a known bug for people who started playing with v1.05 or earlier. I'll make a full comment on this later. It is not recommended to skip since you need to at least trigger cutscenes in Mul Caves and get the rocket boots. Enter Mul Caves from the south and make sure you get the rocket boots. If you have rocket boots, then it's fine to skip."

i started playing with version 1.06, not 1.05. So either the bug was still present with 1.06 or it still hasnt been fixed.

Hope this can answer some of your questions:

"i want to know where to find the last weapon" - get the two asteroid rocks and get them to the blacksmith.

"whats the deal with Gale being a pheonix weapon or whatever" - **SPOILER** it makes sense that the phoenix weapons, being genetically modified humans, could reproduce with normal humans after the war. ADAM's DNA is in the gene pool, and Gale is a descendant of one

harpy strategy - best thing I did was get behind the harpy before she's noticed you, charge up a spear and let it rip. Then, just do a small jump and spear her again. Even if you're off-screen, you might be able to hit her. Otherwise, just wait for her to divebomb you, side step, jump and swing.

door in forest - further down, where the floor caves in, if you place the metal box to the right of the touchplate, climb back up and use your slingshot to knock it to the left, it should open the passage to the door down the left.

Don't do the goo - you just get lilac honey, which you can get from the bee lab after turning in a purple honeycomb (plus its cheaper - 80 vs 300). If you're DEAD SET - the area with the downed spaceship with the sos? They respawn after leaving the screen. Just keep going back and forth and you'll eventually get it (took me several attempts spanning a few hours. SUPER pis't I wasted all that time)

gold bar - 3 uses so far i've found: you can sell it for a profit (buy early - price goes up as game progresses, but takes up vital inventory slot), give it to the old lady when you steal her savings, and give it to a harpy in forgotten village for a moonstone

"Is there anything to do in Forgotten Forest W.?" - get more moonstones, hearts, progress more story. Not needed to complete game, but it helps tie things together

"Does anyone get the Appreciation Flower?" - you can give it to a few people, but so far the only thing i've gotten back was some toasted frog legs from lisa

"How do you get the Moon Stone in Atai City that's in the pot way up on the tower?" - eat some honey with the rocket boots - increases the time you can fly by about 3 fold

"Is there an item for the 2nd Misc slot in the end game?" - Yes - it's in the village past the forgotten forest. it costs $999 and gives you 1 health per second (only when you're about to die - and stops at 10. Totally not worth it)

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